First off I would like to thank everyone for the help that is put forth in this forum. I hope I will be able to answer some questions and help others. Unfortunetly one of the issues my wife has with me is my constant (almost addiction) to on-line hobby forums I moderate. I stopped all computer use last week and brought my laptop to my parents house to show her I am serious and she means more to me than a on-line web forum. Nothing bad when on-line. Just way to much on-line and ignoring her in the mean while. All though I am back on-line, this is just to seek help with my marriage, and finding resources to help me. I stumbled upon Divorce360 and here I am.
The Back Ground:
(You can skip this as it is kind of a long read)
We had our first child when she was 18 and I was 19. We had some rocky times at first because of her love for alcohol and partying. When she got pregnant with our first son this changed and our relationship moved forward. Then I started to get comfortable after the birth of our first child, and things started to get rocky again, but this was mostly due to my selfishness with my personal hobbies. None of which involved other woman.
Then in about 4 years into our relationship I did change things for the better and moved into a great location so our family could be together. We got married also and shortly after had our second child. Things went pretty good for the next four years and we even build a new home and where really living a dream life. After being in our new home for about 1.5 years I started to get selfish with how I did things (hobbies and time spent with her) and she found comfort in another man (no sex but did kiss once) . This rocked my world and I changed my ways. We worked it out and moved forward with our marriage.
Well being the stupid guy I am about 3 years later I started to get over comfortable once again. I could even see my self falling back into a slug of a husband. Well one of her best friends husbands started to text her his feelings he had for her. Feeling unwanted to a point from me (while I love her more than anything in this world) she started to text back for the attention. This went on for about a month when she put a block on her phone and told her best friend about what was happening. Her best friend (even though nothing happened and they never even met) did not take it well. My wife works with her best friend and is actually a supervisor over her. At this point my wife told me about the situation. I was a little mad at first but just wanted it to end. Fully knowing if I had just shown a little more attention to my wife this would have never happened. We started to work things out and actually fell back more in love after I put forth the effort to be a better husband.
Well that was 6 months ago and about a month ago I started (not that bad though/just a little) sinking back into my husband slug style again. Well right away "she" contacted her best friends husband again just as friends and looking for attention and an update about her former best friend. At this point he is under going a divorce from what happened last fall between them (among other issues he was part of with his wife and what happened last fall put her over the edge). I will also add that my wife is no longer friends with her best friend anymore (a very bad experience which I was their for her 100%). This one time phone call escalated into him sharing his feelings about her and telling her he loved her. This happened last week. When this happened it was because of my procrastination in giving her a $100 check she needed for a bill (very stupid mistake on my part). She went over to his house and got the hundred dollars from him. She said at that point she realized that she had some feelings for him also and told me about it right away the next day. She is a very good woman and I trust her when she said she never slept with him, kissed him or even "loves" him at this point. She says just it is just some feelings and a connection of sorts because they seem to have sevral things in common. So me being shocked and hurt when I found out, right away I did the old (I need to change) thing, and went head over heals in the other direction. She now is texting and even talking to him right in front of me. She does tell and show me everything that is going on. She did see him once last Thursday but since then has cooled it a little. One of his daughters showed up at her work, confronted her about what was going on and how she felt about it (not happy and she is 16). She acually told my wife to grow up and think of her familey. This was last Friday. Now she says she is torn between me and this guy and asking for me to move out for a week or two so she can think. Now I am sitting here at D360.
So my question is "should I move out"?
Almost over night last week we went from a couple in love, expressing it very openly, to where she will not even say "I love you" when I say I love her. She will not kiss me on the lips right now also. We do still sleep in the same bed right now, and cuddle a little, but she is getting less and less cuddley every day. I am still wearing my wedding ring, but she did take it off last week the night before she went over to barrow the $100 from him, and has not put it back on as of yet. She wants to talk about it but at the same time wants to have time to think. A good thing is she is feed up with both "him" and I trying win her over, but still takes to the both of us. I did leave this last Saturday for a week to stay at my parents. As soon as I left she started to text me. Not saying come back or anything but just some Q.A... I did not want to leave but she says this will clear her head to make a choice. So after about 6-7 hours I was back at home talking with her and trying to tell her the "bad" points about this guy she thinks is so great. This guy she is seeing totaly threw her under the bus last fall in the texting thing that started this. He also has been saying some things that I find hard to believe, and even my wife has questions this. She texts him back and he tells another story that she falls for. For one I think his main motive with my wife is to get back at his EX by being involved with her. My wife is very attractive and I am sure that is a motivator for him also. What I do not get is why would my wife want to even be in this drama which involves here work, a former best friend, a proven lier and his children (which he says changed their minds over night about hating my wife) do not want my wife around because of the hardship of their parents divorce.
We have 2 very good, loving, smart and responsible kids. Both around 10 years old. They have no idea of this situation yet (thank god). My gut fear is if I leave my wife will further the relationship with him. If I am their she seems to side with me more when I talk with her. I want ot be their but is it the right thing. Once you leave your house their is a good chance you may never beable to come back. But there is no way my wife will leave with out our children and she is not taking them out of the house at this point.
I know this is a long post but I just have to get this off my chest as I have not told "anyone" about this entire deal. Not even my parents. When I went over their on Saturday, I just said we had a tiff that I caused, and I had to let her cool off a little. I am just lost and do not know what to do. Thanks to these forums I have found I am not alone.
One side note and this may have back fired a little one me. I did contact "the other guy" for the first time yesterday. I was very calm and cool. I even made script of my feelings that I was going to tell him prior to making the call. Nothing was said from me that would get me in trouble with the law. This guy is not worth going to jail over. Just my feelings about my wife, what I though about what he is really doing when trying to be with my wife, how his situation could possible cost my wife her job, and telling him to stop all contact with my wife. I did all the talking and he just listened (surprised I would do this). Half way threw reading my script, he had to go, and hung up. He did say he is not texting my wife any longer unless she texted him first. Well that was B.S., because he was texting her right while we where on the phone, telling her who he was talking to. Then he texted a couple times last night saying I am not the "one" yada yada. This will be my last only contact after finding out about this. My wife did not like what I did and this even ruined a nice dinner last night and some progress I gained over the weekend.
Again sorry for the long post. I just feel better getting this off my chest, possibley getting some advice that might help me win my wife back, and end this nightmare. My wife says she does still love me and just does not know if she is "in" love with me. I will change this time because it has never went this far. I have went to the doctor and have seeked help for my lack of being a good husband. I will not loose my family for my hobbies and on-line chatting for long periods of time at night helping others when I should be talking to my wife.
Thank you so very much for any responce. Just typing this post has helped me some.
, went out and threw the football with my boys and the neighbor kid. Grilled dinner outside. After her and "him" got done talking her and I talked.
I will say one thing, I am not arguing with her at all. Even since I have found out. I was shocked/heart broken at first, but wanted to fix things right away. I love her and that is it. I know how I have acted in the past lead to this and how I act from now on is the key to saving our marriage. I have learned over the years that arguing and yelling wins nothing. I still do it some times when we disagree about something and we both think we are right (which happens). In a situation like this it will only hurt the progress I feel.
She said she talked to him about the letter, because of some assumptions I put in their towards his intentions with her, being out of a failed marriage (still going threw a divorce but his wife left him) only 6 months, wanting to be with a currently married woman, his daughter confronting my wife at work and saying “stay away and go back to your family” and some other topics. We talked and I just held firm on working this out, seeking MC, staying together and me staying here while doing it (with out her leaving). She was refusing marriage counseling the whole night and saying she just needs some time alone. We did not get to far last night. Then right after this we started talking about random feeling/thoughts we have on our mind and put the topic to rest for the night. I do not want to bring “him” in our conversations. She seems to at times to reference what I am saying to what he thinks/is saying. It is an up-hill battle at times because she teeters from my side to his and back to me.
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Thanks for the great responces. This site is the best at helping people who have no one to turn to threw this kind of stuff:Current Update:Well per some counseling advice I received yesterday, I wrote her a long typed letter (no garage texting) yesterday, expressing my true feelings about working our marriage issues out, and a plan on how her and I will do it. Nothing aggressive or force full (did not even say stop talking to “him” at all. That can come later), just true feelings on how we need to work this out and what I feel "his" intentions now. Then I provided a bunch of info that was forwarded to me about the facts or separation (how it is better to work it out at than apart), children and divorce, Dr.'s studies on how divorce effects children, a report on "why my wife cheated" (even though she has not. I have heard her say it to him on the phone when talking about his daughter showing up last Friday. She did not know I was even home and listening) which explains what my part was in causing this and how/what is need for me to correct my self (MC) and some other marriage related material. She really has no clue about separation or divorce other than what she has heard over the years and what "he" says. We have been together since high school and worked things out in the past.
Right when she got home yesterday I asked her to read it. She was taken by surprise but went to the other room and read it right away. She read the letter and the whole stack of info. I could tell right away she was not happy. She did not like how I said that by me staying is the best way for "us" to working this out. She kept saying she needs her space and she has to be with the kids. Then she says I am forcing her out by not leaving. Then she got on the phone with "him" and went over the whole letter. I know he was saying it is all lies. After she read it I gave her some space, went out an
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