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How my 4th went...and do I really know how to forgive? 

I went to the 4th of July parade and other festivities with my ex's family....My ex was there...I didn't talk to him during the parade but did exchange a few words with him as we were walking back to our vehicles...My ex's mom looked at us strangely...It is weird for everyone...We went back to his brother's house and my nephews were all there...I know they had a conversation with the kids because my youngest nephew is 5 and he looked at me and asked me if my son lived with me....I looked at him and said yes, he does...He said ok, and went on doing what he was doing....We talked some while at his brother's house...We actually sat beside each other at the park...He said his pop tasted nasty and tried to get me to take a drink...I said "No, thanks, if it tastes like ass, why would I want to try it." I was laughing...He said, "It tastes like diet, you know I don't like the aftertaste." I tried it, nope wasn't diet, it just was a bad pop....The carbonation was wrong...I think he felt like he had to drink it because our daughter had bought if for him...I told him that she wouldn't expect him to drink it when it tasted like that...

 

I then left to come back to the house and get ready to go to dinner with my guy...My guy who was going to be going back with me to the fireworks with my ex, the kids and my ex's family...Yes, a little weird...I had dinner after church with my guy and his mom....We dropped her off and took off to head back to the festivities...After we got about 4 or 5 miles down the road...I started filling him in on who everyone was...He was like, "How many people are going to be there? It is just hitting me what I am doing..." I told him that most of them were kids and filled him in again...I could tell he was a little nervous even though he said he was fine...Hell, I was a little nervous even though my ex's family said he was welcome and my ex knew he was coming...My guy looked at me as we were getting closer and said, "If there is any confrontation, we are just going to leave." I said, "Of course, but there will not be any confrontation because he is behaving today...He won't act like a jackass in front of his family." There wasn't any...

 

We got there and I introduced him to everyone except my ex....They all made small talk and my sister in law was awesome at making my guy feel welcome...I wasn't sure how to handle the ex and my guy thing...I didn't want to be rude, but hell, what is the protocol for this kind of thing? We went out on the back deck to watch the kids set some fireworks off before heading into town to watch the big fireworks...There was a moment when it was just me, my guy, and my ex on the back deck...The kids were all in the back yard, the other adults were inside...I just looked between them and said..."I don't know what the hell the protocol is for this and I don't want to be rude but M*** this is D*** and D*** this is M***....They shook hands and said it was nice to meet each other....My sister-in-law came out and she had kind of slid in between the two of them while we were watching off the back deck...I still talked some to my ex, I didn't want to act like he wasn't there...My guy and my ex didn't really exchange very many words but they were cordial to each other...I decided to just be myself...I felt it was going really well, all things considered...My guy took a tin can and put a hole in it for the kids...They were impressed with being able to use firecrackers to blow the thing up in the air...

 

My guy had told me on the way over that he was not going to feel comfortable kissing me or holding hands or any of that...He had asked me if he should change clothes and did twice..lol...I told him to go with what he was comfortable in...It didn't matter what he wore...I didn't think I would be comfortable this first time with any public displays off affection either...I told him we would just play things by ear...We watched the fireworks and they were awesome as always...M*** and I did hold hands during the fireworks but were not obvious about it...After the fireworks, my ex and his mom left to go home and M***, the kids, and I headed back to my brother in law's house....My sister-in-law and my guy were getting along great and joking around...We watched the fireworks the kids and my brother-in-law were setting off...We were standing on the back deck and M***was standing behind me holding me between him and the rail...My daughter was on our left and my sister-in-law on our right and we were all talking and it was relaxed...

 

M*** and I were talking later and he said that my son was watching all of us...He was struggling with this...what is happening, what he thinks about it, how we all interact...etc...I don't know what kind of decision my son came to but as we were leaving the park, my ex was in his truck and my son called out to M*** by name and asked him something...My daughter is more than fine with things and she stayed right by M*** and I during the fireworks...She had a friend with her and they sat on a blanket right at our feet...My son did what he always did, played with his cousins...Nothing different there...My guy said that at one point, I positioned myself between him and the ex like I was blocking...He asked if I did it on purpose or if it was subconscious, I said it must have been subconscious because I didn't even notice I did it....

 

It made me think about things, in fact, I have been thinking since last night...My ex is trying to be friendly and cordial at this point...I have to give him credit for that...Am I just the one being a jackass now? I say I have forgiven him but if I truly have, why don't I take that last step to helping ensure he can be really happy...I may be overestimating myself but I believe I have the influence to get his family to accept his girlfriend. If I choose to accept her and can be around her and they see I am ok, I believe they will eventually accept her...I could do that for him...I could make it where he doesn't have to choose between family and her...His family did that for me...They showed me unconditional love yesterday...The marriage is over...but I find I still care...I do care about his happiness...I care about mine as well but I am happy again...I care about keeping this family a family even if it is not the traditional family anymore...What does true forgiveness really mean? I said a long time ago that I didn't want this divorce process turn me into someone I no longer liked...Yes, I was painfully crushed by some of the things that my ex said to me during this whole process but in the long run, it helped me to get over feeling love for him...Maybe it was a blessing in disguise...Maybe it got my back up so I was determined to heal....He has apologized several times for the way he did it and admits he was an asshole with how he did it...He is right, he can't change it...You can't go back and change it ever...

 

I think I have it in me to give my ex that unconditional love...I probably will always care for him in a way...Oh, never in a way to have a relationship like we once did...but I can give him a step towards what he thinks will make him happy...I am going to have to pray about this one...It hurts to realize that I may be someone who is just full of shit and I can talk a good game of forgiveness but do I really have it in me? This would help preserve my family...My ex is family still...his family is my family still...My kids would be much better off to not feel like they have to make choices here...M*** is someone to give them additional attention and caring, my ex's girlfriend may be able to give my kids someone that could also love them too...This affects my 4 nephews too...My youngest nephew warmed up to M*** right away...It is amazing when you look at things through kid's eyes how small and petty you can end up feeling...I can choose to live my life with love....Unconditional love...We all talk about it, we all want it but do we grant it to others truly? Do we really know how? I am going to be praying about this one...I think I may have learned a valuable life lesson yesterday on Independence Day...

by militaryp  2950 Posts 

Posted on 7/5/2009 10:36 AM
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I have a dear friend whose husband cheated on her and his family don't blame him, they blame my friend.  They have even gone so far as saying that she didn't keep her house clean enough, and wasn't pretty enough.  He was a controlling SOB and when she told me all that she had to go through with him, I told her that actually she was rescued, from his wrath.  If the trash wasn't taken out so that it was in the dumpster when the trash men came.  All kinds of crazy controlling things.  I'm glad that your in-laws care so much for you.  There is a song by Joey and Rory, the video is on Youtube, called "Cheater, Cheater"  it pretty much describes what a woman who cheats with a married man is.  I love it.  I want to call his cell phone and record it to him, but I am above that now.  Melaine.     
by melaine   425 Posts
Posted on 7/6/2009 5:38 PM
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My ex inlaws basically handled it the same way yours did MP.  They want nothing to do with the OW or him actually.  Sure I feel a bit sorry for him, but that's between them. I'm sure eventually they will move on and make up, but its not my responsibility - I'm no longer a part of his life, he's made that abundantly clear. 

I'm glad to hear there are still families like yours and mine in the world.  Good people.
by Tracy74   564 Posts
Posted on 7/6/2009 11:35 AM
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Mil, you are definetly one class act. I don't know if I could have done what you did. You have an incredible heart.

Your ex, is not your problem.You have forgiven him but you can't fix things for him. That is his responsibility not yours. Let him figure things out.

What an incredible ex in laws. Not sure how many families would do what they did. You are very lucky to have them.

Abrazos.
by vlady   2123 Posts
Posted on 7/6/2009 9:00 AM
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I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this...My ex's family is still my family and they always will be...I love them and they love me...My mother in law told me that I will be her daughter no matter what...A divorce will not change family for me, I refuse to give up people that I love and that love me...However, you are right that I need to let my ex deal with how he is going to get the family to accept his girlfriend...If he ever does bring her to an event, I will be as cordial as he was to M***...However, I do not need to go out of my way to smooth the way for him....You guys are right...Unconditional love means I can care for him no matter what but I do not need to fix all of his issues, especially when I didn't create them...I will not be part of the problem for him though...I will be gracious and extend courtesy...I guess I was feeling a little sorry for him...I have cared for him for many years and have fixed things for many years to the best of my ability for him to be happy...That is a hard habit to break...My ex called me today and said that he does not have the freedom that I have to bring her to family events...They have made it clear to him that she is not welcome...My mother in law will flat out tell you she is a home wrecking whore...What my mother in law doesn't get is that my ex is the one that pursued the relationship with this girl...My ex is the one I was married to and the one that had the responsibility to honor vows spoken to me...Of course, it is easier for her to blame the girlfriend than to blame her son...She does place blame on her son but most of it is directed at the girlfriend...Hope he figures out how to deal with it...For my kids sake, for his family's sake and for his own sake...It is a weird situation because I don't think many people are blessed to have in laws like I have...M*** says it speaks volumes about me as a person that they would be that way but I think it speaks volumes about them...
by militaryp   2950 Posts
Posted on 7/5/2009 10:43 PM
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Mili,
That was quite a 4th of July you had! Glad things worked out so well for all.....

Now my thoughts about what you are planning to pray about re: the ex and gf and his family.... you are such a thoughtful and good-hearted person and I can understand wanting to help the ex with how his family deals with his gf since they have been so accepting of your new guy.....but I think it's time to draw the line here!!!

I wouldn't waste any time even thinking about it.....it's not your problem...it's his.....and he should work things out with his family by himself!

Easy for me to say, right? :)







by zuki   685 Posts
Posted on 7/5/2009 10:24 PM
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wow Mil, you are a much better person than I am.  I'm at a different place, where as my divorce isn't final and I've only been dealing with this for 6 months.  I'm just going to throw a couple of things out there.  First of all, forgiveness is for you, so you can move on with a lighter heart.  I'm confused about unconditional love.  My counselor told me that every relationship has conditions whether we know it or not.  Such as, my stbx has issues with his sex addiction.  Even though I loved him more than anything doesn't mean I gave him money to go see prostitutes because I know he couldn't help it.  There WERE conditions.  Confusing concept...

Another thing, I mentioned to my girls that at some point, especially if they stay together, that they may have to learn to accept the other woman.  She apparently makes their dad happy.  My oldest daughter told me, "Mom, she became best friends over the phone with a married man with 2 kids, knew he had a sex addiction, met him, slept with him, after he moved out she is now living with him, and has told us she no longer has any responsibilities but she has 3 kids (18, 19 and 21) that she left 400 miles away.  That is not a woman I care to get to know, let alone accept."  I have to respect that. 

It's not your responsibility to fix things or smooth things over for your ex.  You have such a big heart Mil, but he is not your problem anymore.  He did this.  Let him fix it.  I hope this doesn't sound too cynical.
by flutterby   829 Posts
Posted on 7/5/2009 8:51 PM
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First of all, I'm glad you had a nice 4th of July.  Second, I think you need to remember that forgiveness is a gift you give yourself.  You're not forgiving him for his sake.  Its for you, so you can move on with a healthy, and not bitter, future.  Yes, he will always be a part of your life because you have kids together and maybe bygones can be bygones eventually.  Personally I have chosen to let it go.  I did love my husband unconditionally meaning, for me, that I really did understand and accept ALL of his shortcomings.  If that is the case shouldn't I and couldn't I forgive him these actions?  For me the answer is yes, for others who choose to hang onto the bitterness I say I'm sorry you've let someone else control how you live your life.  MP - I think you're probably with me on this one and would rather move on with happiness, then live in the past with bitterness letting him control you. 

I'm in the same space in that I'd like to see him happy.  I know I am.  However, I recently told a close friend that I'm not so good that I don't giggle when I hear "bad" news about him such as a pending bankruptcy.  ;)
by Tracy74   564 Posts
Posted on 7/5/2009 7:51 PM
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Mili:  What a class act.  I'm glad that his family haven't turned you away just because you two are divorced now.  I often wonder what would happen if I was to encounter my ex and his new wife.  I know that it is inevitable.  Especially with having grandchildren.  I think I will keep in the back of my mind, WWJD.   I think I would do the right thing though, and try to be the bigger person.  Probably for all the wrong reasons though.  I'm glad that things went well.  I'm impressed that your ex said that he was sorry and admitted to being an asshole about things.  My ex wouldn't be man enough to do that.  In 32 yrs of marriage I can probably count on one hand how many times he said that he was sorry after a fight.  I'm glad that your 4th went so well.  Melaine
by melaine   425 Posts
Posted on 7/5/2009 7:23 PM
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Actually I could not do what you did.  That is the most unusual circumstance I have read in this place.  You have come a long, long way.  You did it for the kids and that speaks volumes.  It shows your growth and maturity.  Sooner or later it would be wise to distance yourself from your ex and his girl.  It is much too early to presume that this type of situation will last indefinately.  I believe that eventually it will become an unhealthy atmosphere for you and your kids who notice this confusing arrangement more profoundly than adults do.  This type of arrangement should become rare until your kids are fully grown.  You have surprised me greatly and you are a hell of a women who I am sure your ex would acknowledge.  Congrats....Kev
by kevinwo   732 Posts
Posted on 7/5/2009 6:49 PM
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Mil, forgiveness doesn't mean you condone his past behavior.  It doesn't mean you trust him.  It doesn't mean you are willing to put up with it ever again.  It doesn't even mean you have to interact with him if you don't want to.  Forgiveness is letting the past be the past and be willing to move on into the future without bitterness.  It doesn't mean forgetting--it means moving on.  Never confuse forgiveness with being a door mat.
by Iam   476 Posts
Posted on 7/5/2009 6:45 PM
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Ummm, you have no responsibility to your ex and his family.  I mean, if his family doesn't accept his girlfriend that is his problem.  That is his problem and he needs to deal with it.  You've done your part.  You have integrated the new person in your life into your children's family. 

Overall it sounds like it went well.  Cordial is good.
by purebredinip   1194 Posts
Posted on 7/5/2009 5:40 PM
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awsome blog Milly.  That really gets one thinking about all the interpersonal relationship issues that go with post divorce life.  It sounds like things went really well for the first meeting of new people and pre-divorce families.  I think the entire group showed respect and forgiveness for all in that there there were no confrontations.  Very interesting point you make about his family accepting the ex's girlfriend if you influence them.   I would call your 4th of July a great success...
by curious123   979 Posts
Posted on 7/5/2009 11:38 AM
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