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Do you think 'needing a challenge' when it comes to dating is a positive or negative thing? 

Recently, as I sat telling a gf what kind of man I hope to meet one day, she tacked on  "AND - he needs to be challenge Delaine.  You need that, otherwise you'll lose interest."

 

I just kind of grinned and didn't think much of it again...till I had another conversation about it with two other gfs.  My first gf said the expression, 'needing a challenge' has an undertone of anxierty to it - as if the relationship should be stressful and full of ups and downs.  My other gf's opinion was even more poignant.  She said that because I've been attracted to hurt, broken men in past, I probably mix that somewhere into the 'challenge' component, even if unconsciously. 

 

Suddenly, I'm not thinking 'needing a challenge' is a positive expression anymore.  And since we are inwardly afftected by the language we use, I'm rethinking whether it's one I should use at all. 

 

When I was younger, I admit I went for Bad Boys; there was something to the chase and yes, on some level I WAS secretly hoping to win them, change them, etc.  But now that I'm all grown up, a mother of three, and hopefully I know better, that's not the kind of challenge I want.  I want to put my energy into a relationship that challenges me to a better person, to grow intellectually and spiritually - NOT one that challenges me to 'manage' him and the relationship while curbing my personal growth.

 

I don't know.  Perhaps instead of saying "I want a challenge," I should say:  I want a man who will earn me - not by money (sillies) or by changing into something he thinks I want him to be.  But by him recognizing that his changing and time spent  in earning me pushes him to be a better person and that's a goal he wants.  Does that make ANY sense? lol

 

Delaine

 

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by DelaineMoore  77 Posts 

Posted on 11/5/2009 11:30 AM
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Comments for "Do you think 'needing a challenge' when it comes to dating is a positive or negative thing?"  (7) (You must be logged in to answer)




100% agree that after the age of 30 the idea of a "challenge" belongs with doing to New York Times crossword puzzle in ink. =)
by spaznskitz   7745 Posts
Posted on 11/5/2009 2:35 PM
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I'm understanding what you say, Spazn, but the word 'earn' just doesn't have the same connotation to me. 

Another example:  I don't think trust is given freely, it is earned.  I don't think true friendship is automatically given, it is earned.  Same with many other virtues that need to be in place for a relationship to be successful and healthy.  And again, it is a two-way street, not a one-way.

For someone such as myself who was involved in an abusive marriage for many years, part of the healing /awakening process involves not 'settling for less.'  In other words, I've needed to learn that the first man I'm semi-interested in doesn't mean he's deserving of me, or (before I get hit for that) a man who is BEST for me.  So by me using the phrase 'earn me' there is a feeling of self-respect and valuing that comes with it that wasn't there before.  

Again, how we use language around various things is personal - but they DO affect how we perceive ourselves and the world around us.  In my case, I don't feel 'needing a challenge' best describes what I really want/need at this stage of my life.

by DelaineMoore   77 Posts
Posted on 11/5/2009 2:25 PM
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I know you don't mean to sound arrogant, but...

ok, let me put it this way...

relationships are work, and not unlike a real 9 to 5 job, when you are interviewing for a position, or looking for a perfect candidate for an opening - that resume you put out there is the first thing seen - your dating resume is whatever profile you have up online, or how you present yourself when you meet someone attractive.

these people reading your "resume" have no idea about your past conflict with the word "challenge" or why you would choose to say you need to be "earned"...and even your explanation in your original post still alludes to the fact that you pretty much expect someone to change and better themselves FOR you....to GET you.

Just face value of the words themselves, without your story behind it - does come off as accidentally arrogant. So some really good candidates might not even give you a second look based on that first impression -

I have to earn her? Man she must be a high maintenance bitch...which couldn't be further from the truth but, well, you write, you know the impact of words.

Think about wording your dating "resume" in a manner outside of yourself - from the perspective of what you want that great guy in your future to see in you.

"I'd love to meet someone who sees me as intriguing, someone he can share learn and grow with. Someone who hasn't chosen to become complacent with who they are and where their life can go"
by spaznskitz   7745 Posts
Posted on 11/5/2009 1:48 PM
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Well, I guess it all starts with having a goal...what kind of man do you WANT?  Then start looking at what you're attracted to...see how much difference it gets from point A to point B.  Do you really want to do that much work to get a relationship to point B?  Wouldn't it be easier to just find point B to begin with?

To me, challenge doesn't have to be a dirty word.  Perhaps you can find a man who challenges you intellectually...emotionally.  I like and agree with Spaz's post.  A healthy relationship should be a partnership amongst equals.  Human nature being what it is, it is unlikely that you will find anyone who agrees with you 100% of the time.  So, it's when you get to that point of friction, or challenge, that you don't hope to change someone...you hope to gain respect for your position while at the same time understanding for theirs.

No, you probably don't want a doormat...it's very hard to have any respect for a doormat and someone who lets you walk all over them...you want a person you can think for themselves and ultimately gain your respect.  But there's a thin line between gaining respect and being firmly entrenched in a line of thought without hope of changing that's detrimental to the relationship, and ultimately, you.

Just my two pennies worth. :)
by BlueB   2982 Posts
Posted on 11/5/2009 12:23 PM
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I think the earning goes both ways - I don't mean it to sound arrogant.  To me it means that nothing about the other person is taken for granted, and again, each person is challenged to grow personally, not for the sake of change alone or to 'win him/her' but because it is in their best interest for sake of evolution.   

To me, the verb 'earn' has a more positive feel to it than 'challenge.'  Like I said. when I think of a 'challenge' I get old mental pictures and feelings of what that means to me personally, and they are not positive.
by DelaineMoore   77 Posts
Posted on 11/5/2009 12:23 PM
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oops - "worthy"
by spaznskitz   7745 Posts
Posted on 11/5/2009 11:55 AM
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Earn you?

dunno...that way of putting it is offputting to me. It's pretty much saying I'm better than you are and you will gain from being involved with me. However you aren't really worth of me yet until you grow - and I won't truly give of myself until you prove yourself...it's somewhat the same thing as being attracted to a "bad boy"...you are looking to improve someone by way of knowing you...but he still has to change...if he doesn't he's out.

Being in a healthy relationship requires a whole lot of give and take from both sides - and I get what you are driving at - but I think you would be better off wording it in a way that shows you want someone who is your equal - but in that respect is always seeking personal growth...the challenge will be growing together while staying together, even when it is difficult.

by spaznskitz   7745 Posts
Posted on 11/5/2009 11:54 AM
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